Jan 16, 2015. As others have said, .8 ml of 200mg test is the upper end of SAFE trt. BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 5, 2021 This would be run with 500mg of test e per week. Cookie Notice Privacy Policy. This is EXACTLY why when you are utilizing a drug that aromatizes into Estrogen and an AI may become necessary, you get baseline blood work, and then when you add an AI in, you use a very conservative dose of the most mild and forgiving AI there is (depending on what/how much aromatizing hormones you're using), and titrate up accordingly based on your blood work until you've reached the Estrogen sweet spot (or based on symptoms which is the bro method which is not recommended). Even with the Test E, after his first couple shots, will there be as much test circulating in his system as there will be once the drug has fully saturated in the blood stream 5 weeks later in the cycle? Doc prescribed me 0.25mg Anastrozole 3x a week after blood work came back with good test levels but high oestradiol. I don't have an AI prescribed by my doctor, so I may need to get one online. I administer every 3.5 days along with HCG @ 500iu each time. Cycle #4 40-60mg/day Anavar, 300mg/wk Primo, 300 mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. Now, to the average steroid user, that probably doesnt look like a bad cycle outline and they may even be asking themselves what exactly is wrong with this. Ive done all my research, but I want to get rid of my last bit of uncertainty before actually starting. Who uses no AI on 250mg of test per week? Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. Cyp and Enanth. I had no symptoms of high Estrogen at all. Typically, most men feel their best when their estrogen levels lie between 20-30 pg/ml in their blood work. I run 200mg a week, I am 28 and I cruise and blast too. Also taking 2 mgs of adex a week is also way too much to start with. Low energy. Thanks!! Dont be messing with bloods while your doctor gets you dialed in. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple of points over the recommended limit), so it looks like I need a AI. I agree with CP3 and the gentleman above here, 1 mg a day with 200 mgs Test would presumably crash your E levels. However, if you understand how these drugs work in the first place, you will understand there is a compounding effect with everything, and they take several weeks to fully saturate in your system. You do bloodwork every 4 weeks and use/adjust AI use accordingly. If I kept my AI dosage constant like that during a cycle (by cycle I mean a blast phase of a supraphysiological amount of highly aromatizing hormones), my experience would more than likely start out with me feeling symptoms of low estrogen, followed by symptoms of high estrogen later in the cycle once my level of aromatization had surpassed the inhibitory capacity of that particular dosage of AI. Obviously the requirements will vary individual to individual dependent on your own genetic predispositions, but nobody would EVER need 1 mg of Arimidex everyday for TRT, and if they did they would be an extreme genetic outlier scenario, and even in a scenario like that I would bet money their Estrogen was actually in the toilet, or their Arimidex was fake/underdosed. When used for this purpose, Arimidex is typically introduced in week two of the cycle and taken for the entire length of the cycle at 0.5mg twice a week. Curious on thoughts. 250mg test e per week is a high cruise or mini blast but you shouldnt need an ai unless you aromatase tons. After the anastrozole, symptoms have calmed down and I hold way less water on my frame too. Cycle #2 300mg/wk Primo, 100mg/day Proviron, 300mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. Usually 2, or even more sometimes, but right after a blast I might drop to 1 cos I'm over pinning. I used to be obese and I lost weight about 3 years ago and that's when my problems started. I was planning on adding .5 mg E3D starting with the week 3 injection, which was today, but I'm interested to see what others are running at 200 mg Test/week. Privacy Policy. Then, for the next 8 weeks hes completely off of Dbol and adds in Anavar at the end for 4 weeks. For more information, please see our By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. My plan was to come off right about now and use the Torem I bought for Scan this QR code to download the app now. Zero health issues whatsoever, knock on wood. WebThrough the data interpretation methods made available by the recent AI tools, researchers and AI companies have focused on the development of models allowing to predict the So, the key to staying in the sweet spot is getting your blood work done, and adjusting your AI dose accordingly based upon your current Aromatase Inhibitor needs. And MAYBE winstrol. Past two weeks: Massive increase in strength, endurance, and recovery. Testosterone Enanthate and Deca is a common combination with a cycle length of 12 to 14 weeks. Click to reveal you can conclude that your dosage of AI is satisfactory for the time being. It isnt rocket science, however, many users seem to have completely neglected to comprehend why they are using an AI in the first place, and what purpose it serves. Long story short, you cant, unless you have been using the exact same compound for a very long period of time and have definitively concluded via blood work what dosage of that particular compound equates to a particular level of Estrogen aromatization in the body. Just the other day I had a consultation with a guy who told me about how he is on 150 mg of Testosterone per week for his TRT, and his doctor put him on 1 mg of Arimidex every day for his Aromatase Inhibitor. In short this has been a game changer. At the start of your cycle, these drugs are just entering your blood and havent even reached saturation levels, yet, a predetermined dose of Arimidex is being used to combat aromatization that may not even need addressing at the time, and that same predetermined dose is used later in the cycle where the amount of aromatization will be vastly different. WebMany men can take 200mg or more per week without need for an AI. Obviously Im aware its still very early, but libido and ED issues remain and seem to have gotten a bit worse. Is it safe to wait until sides develop before adding it? while running approx. At the 200mg dose of testosterone, you most likely will not need any AI. And not only that, he was on 1 mg per day. The dose seems to be a total waste unless you are at a size when steroids arent needed 125mg is sweet spot for most people and don't need AI with that said, you should still verify with bloodwork since everybody is different. Some labs use a standard assay test, which is tailored for women almost exclusively, so you would be wise to request the sensitive assay version. Either way is a lose lose. 200 mg per week for me puts me in the 800s. IMO its not worth itstay healthy and be glad your Dr. is allowing .8ml farrago November 13, 2013, 6:40pm 12 Nowadays, AIs are treated almost as on-cycle essentials, and are simply a necessity just like your multivitamin you pop each day is. If you are getting more than 200 mg per week, that is getting into gray area IMO. Subscribe and get my 20 Underground Bodybuilding Secrets You Wont Find On Google E-Book 100% FREE. Symptoms: Worsening libido and exercise recovery over the past three years, eventually to the point where it interfered with my life too much (couldn't recover from cycling which is the main thing I do). This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. If you dont need it, it will crash your e2 and youll feel like crap. Generally, the jobs AI algorithms can do are tasks that require human intelligence to complete, such as pattern and speech recognition, image analysis, and Firstly it's a little concerning that an MD would prescribe stuff with obviously no real knowledge of endocrinology, buuuuut I'll take rx test from whoever lol. Libido: From a 0/10 to a 5/10. I don't know what caused my problems to start to be honest. WebNot really, youll be in a range that you likely need an AI but without high enough test levels to offset the AIso youll either get some solid gyno and sides from high estrogen or youll crater your estrogen and have low estrogen sides. I cant even count how many times Ive seen a guy propose his entire cycle layout asking for feedback, and for some strange reason his AI dose is already determined prior to the cycle, and stays constant for the entire duration of the cycle despite other changes in aromatizing compounds occurring during the cycle. This couldnt be further from the truth, and it explains why many individuals embark on their anabolic cycles with a misconception that they need an AI in there at a particular dosage to prevent side effects.. Go onto Excelmale or the Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. Privacy Policy. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Would lowering the ai maybe help, or even just getting off of it and using it when I get high E2 symptoms work? I dont want gyno. It is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. WebDepends. My question, do any of you guys run 200mg/week without an AI? Is there anyone who is on 250mg per week and experiences no major side effects, bloat or moon face? 200 mgs per week is too high to start out with on TRT. I'd appreciate some feedback, especially from those of you with experience running NPP. So, it should be pretty obvious by now that there is a vastly different amount of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7c0d6cf02a14bf6a However, it isnt uncommon for individuals to overshoot the Estrogen sweet spot, and tank their Estrogen without even knowing it. NoNoNoNot 8 yr. ago. In the case of this cycle, there are 2 heavily aromatizing compounds in there for the first 4 weeks (Test E and Dbol). Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. Normally 100 mgs per week is the starting dose. WebMy doctor prescribed me 200mg of test and 1mg of anastrozole , split every 3.5 days. First was 500 mg test cyp per week and 50 mg Anavar per week. no ai needed (I only use 12.5mg asin once a week on 500mg test). need some opinions on whether i should bulk or cut, 200mg of test for 8 to 12 weeks what do I need to take with it? WebFor eg starting with 200:200 mg per week. if your TRT is 125 mg per week for example, and your doctor is giving you 0.5 mg of Arimidex twice per week, and after several weeks utilizing that protocol you get a blood test and your Estrogen levels show that you have a 5.5 pg/ml reading, you are using too much Arimidex, and probably shouldn't even be using Arimidex in the first place as such a little amount of it is crashing your Estrogen and it is too powerful of an AI for your particular needs. Blood work was ordered due to emotions, bloating, and nipple tenderness. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Web65 comments. Not looking looking significant muscle gain, more interested in strength, slight increase in aggression, increase competitiveness, faster recovery, and overall athletic performance. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Cookie Notice 50mgs or even 100mgs E4 days will work very well. Copyright 2022 More Plates More Dates All Rights Reserved. Consider this as an advanced cycle (not for first time users). Total testosterone - 60 nmol/L (1730 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 202 pmol/L (55 pg/mL)(This one didn't come with SHBG sadly), Total testosterone - 45 nmol/L (1300 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 212 pmol/L (57 pg/mL)SHBG - 18 nmol/L. How can you expect to keep your Estrogen levels in the sweet spot with a predetermined dosage of your Aromatase Inhibitor? E.G. My question is, will I need to use an AI such as arimidex or aromasin to keep e2 levels in check if im only using 200mg per week? Would I need an AI for a 300mg test cycle? Based on the current blood work that I'm on for 150mg of TRT, if the results were doubled for 300mg, do you think my blood results could indicate a need for an AI? But the strange thing is that as I continued to feel better and my diet and weight's gotten easier and easier to maintain (I'm really not that hungry on average anymore and had decent energy levels until about 8 months ago), I kept feeling worse and worse and my exercise recovery in particular got worse and worse. I made a post not too long ago about taking an AI only instead of directly pinning myself, where I learned that will cause more harm than good. Recent bloodwork collected 09-Sep-2020. Insane productivity, like coming out of depression (I wasn't depressed) almost and looking around and realizing all the stuff I've been neglecting to do, then doing it immediately because why not. Urge to engage in my hobbies. My natural test levels are about 700 ng/dl, for anyone thats wondering. Archived post. Look closer, from week 1-12 the guy has proposed that he will be using 0.5 mg per day of Arimidex. If you have any of the traditional symptoms of high estrogen or low estrogen, you should first and foremost get blood work with a sensitive assay test to see where your estrogen levels lie. 6' 1" male at ~169 I was planning to run 200mg - 250mg test per week before that anyway. Music playing in my head again for the first time in months. 200mg I really dont need any anti-e's unless Im reversing some sensitive nipples from a big cycle before. WebFirst cycle should be test only. 350mg to 450mg NPP per week should yield some nice results. Some guys don't even need an Aromatase Inhibitor at all, which is also something to keep in mind. 6' 1" male at ~169 pounds pre, 174 pounds current. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I did experiment with SARMs about 6 months ago, after I got bloodwork done just before I did that and my natural levels were basically more or less identical to what you see above. Our objective is to create an in-depth background of performance enhancing drugs from every background while building a community around discussion of these substances. At this point I've gotten regular bloodwork and seen a really good PCP for years and I have a healthy lifestyle. [deleted] 2 yr. ago You may, or you may not. If your Estrogen is too low, then you need to slightly lower your AI dose, or switch to a weaker one and start the titration process over again. Heres an example of what Im talking about: Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. So as expected, his libido nose dived, his dick ceased to work properly (no erections), he had insanely dry and achy joints, among a myriad of other horrible side effects. Most people dont need that much. If you need an ai at 200, maybe that's a lil high for your body. Gotta get bloods done to be sure. Im good with 300mg/wk test e with 25mg proviron ed. Depends on YOUR physiology but you might not need AI at 200. 160mg a week puts me right at the top of range and no ai (e also high but in range). I was prescribed 1 MG Anastrozole E3D, which I thought was excessive, especially since my pre-TRT bloods had my Estradiol at <6.0. Anyway I've learned a lot from reading here on Reddit and figured I'd share this as a way of saying thanks and maybe helping someone else. I can certainly bump up the test if I need to but have read that keeping test at 200mg/wk. Assuming your T levels have the normal range like Lab Corp uses, then your total T and free T are too high. You can get ripped on 200mg test/week, but it takes time and effort, and you will be a ripped natty guy, not a ripped bodybuilder. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a 'n00b' cycle, and most people will gain maybe a pound of real LBM a week on that. A heavier cycle might be e.g. 500mg test 300mg tren, which is equivalent to 2g test/week. The body recognises it has a surplus and tells the testes that they don't need to produce any more! would be offset by the bad. I recently got my family doc to bump my test-c dose to 200mg/ week from 150mg/week. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. My fitness score in TrainingPeaks doubled in the past two weeks and I've been pumping out mileage I haven't dreamed of since last season. It's much healthier. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. I'm 6'7 (200cm) around 245lbs (11kg) so I find that I typically have to run higher dosages of everything, but your situation may be different. I don't feel like death all the time. Fucking sucks. That was WITH me taking HCG. No AI was needed what so ever. Thanks for the help. After seeing where your Estrogen levels lie, you can decide what dose of AI, and which AI is appropriate to combat those symptoms. So, if there is differing amounts of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle, as well as saturation levels increasing at different rates and heavily aromatizing compounds being swapped in and out of the cycle, does it make sense to be using the exact same dose of Aromatase Inhibitor for the entirety of this cycle? If your doctor is forcing drugs like Arimidex on you, be 100% sure you understand how to interpret your blood work before you start popping pills and hurt yourself. Week 1-12 500mg/week Testosterone Cypionate (Mon/Thur at 250mg), 0.5mg/day Arimidex. Even with high testosterone levels, you can still experience ALL of the unwanted side effects of out of range estrogen levels if they are too high or low. The usage requirements of Aromatase Inhibitors while on SARMs will greatly differ from that of traditional aromatizing Steroids as well, which needs to be taken into consideration if that's what you are using. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Best. Performance & security by Cloudflare. Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. Your not a pro level figure competitor so most probably need to train normally. 193.227.116.28 ~15% body fat if I had to guess. If you've read any of my posts about hormones, you probably already know by now how little faith I have in most general doctors when it comes to properly addressing underlying hormonal deficiencies and imbalances. Week 1-12: Test E 750 mg. Week 1-12: Equipoise 700 mg. Week 1-4: Dbol 40 mg per day. I've never used one before and don't have any symptoms at the moment such as itchy nipples etc. Total Testosterone MS (ng/dL) 250 -> 786 (ref range 264-916), Free Testosterone MS (%) 1.1 -> 2.4 (ref range 1.5-3.2), Free Testosterone MS (pg/mL) 28 -> 189 (ref range 52-280), Estradiol MS post-TRT 17 pg/mL (ref range 8.0-35.0) (not tested in preliminary bloodwork). I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go from there. This is the point Im trying to drive home with this article. Week 8-12: Anavar 50 mg per day. (PCT) Week 15-17 100mg/day Clomid for the first 10 days, then 50mg/day for 10 more days. One colossal mistake I see widespread among bodybuilders and recreational enhanced lifters is that they have a predetermined dosage set for their Aromatase Inhibitor (AI). Most men do well on If you don't need an AI though and your body is extremely efficient at balancing androgens relative to estrogens, then by all means, push the Testosterone Deca at 200mg to 300mg per week will prove highly effective The goal you should have is to keep your Estrogen between 20-30 pg/ml for the entirety of your cycle, regardless of what dosage of AI is necessary to achieve that. I've been on both 125mg and 150mg dosage to experiment with. This is far less likely to happen with the weaker AIs like Arimistane and Aromasin, but it is very common with Arimidex and Letrozole. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. WebPrimo can be run in lower dosages (200mg - 500mg) but really has a fantastic effect when bumped up past 600+ mg a week. WebMost people on TRT do not need AIs. You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. 100mgs every 2 weeks will not. I'm injecting EoD into my delts using Sustanon (Please don't tell me to use another ester like test-e, as this is the only one I can access and have a prescription for, and this won't cause an issue with my doctor). I would say .5 EOD see how your body reacts and go You could even get away with only 250iu's of HCG which would at least help with some e2. Question whether SARMS will help me or not. Scan this QR code to download the app now. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Anyway, I'd say I feel like a new person, but really, I just feel like who I used to be, and that's fine with me. Reply [deleted] Additional comment actions Id want it separate as well. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. I have days where I feel like an absolute king and then I have days where I feel worse than when I started trt. BBiceps Well-known member Awards 4 Oct 12, 2020 #11 I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple Second cycle you could bump up the test to 400 or 500 mg per week and still see nice gains. I wouldn't need that much of an Aromatase Inhibitor even if I was on 5x as much Testosterone as he is on per week. Which Aromatase Inhibitor you should choose and the dosage you use should be based on your own individual propensity to aromatization, what your blood work indicates, the dosage of the aromatizing drugs you are using, etc. A few concerns I recently had some blood work done after about 7 weeks of a dosage change from 150mg/week to 200mg/week of test cyp. Along with the testosterone I am taking 500iu HCG 2x week. my TRT is also 150 mg per week, and I literally only need to use 12.5 mg of Aromasin once a week to keep my Estrogen in the sweet spot. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a If these symptoms go away and your sex drive is perfect, you have no erectile dysfunction issues, etc. I think its flow1979 2 yr. ago. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. If so how do you feel on it? This coming Saturday will be 3 weeks. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Common symptoms of high estrogen include: These are all quite unpleasant side effects, and it isnt uncommon to experience several of them at once if your estrogen levels remain too high or low. It seems that AI usage has become so commonplace that users dont even bother to understand the purpose of the drug in the first place prior to implementing it into their regimen. Start with a reasonable AI dose, maybe half a mg eod and after a few weeks, maybe a month, get blood work and really understand what's happening inside your body brotha, By ftfaaa in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By ben01 in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By karimsins in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By Actionman in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, Need help knowing whether i should take arimidex with 200mg of test cypionate, Evolutionary.org Steroids Research Forums. (bloodwork provided for 150mg). Well actually, not really, because there are a disturbing amount of doctors entrusted to treat patients properly who are actually completely incompetent when it comes to proper treatment during HRT. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. - Proper protocols should not be exceeding more than 200 mg of testosterone cypionate per week. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. WebYou can get ripped on 200mg test/week, but it takes time and effort, and you will be a ripped natty guy, not a ripped bodybuilder. Generally, the low end of a blast is around 300mg per week. I am on my 12th week of Test-Cyp (250mg x2 per week). So, if theres not as much test circulating in his system as it hasnt fully built up yet, there wont be as much Estrogen in his system. Most normal otherwise healthy men who have low serum levels due to age related decline and exhibit symptoms don't need 200 mg a week. Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. #5. Spicy/painful nipples and severe water retention first week or two, which quickly went away (I do have leftover gyno from puberty - I was obese during puberty and most of my life). Obviously the best way to confirm where your Estrogen levels lie though is via blood work. - Everyone is different and more is not always better. I was told the body recognises steroids as if they're testosterone, so the body 'thinks' it has enough testosterone, so stops production. My doctor prescribed me 200mg of test and 1mg of anastrozole , split every 3.5 days. I am attracted to women again, and it feels strange, because it's been a while, but it's not distracting. Add a Comment. Scan this QR code to download the app now. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. When I initially started TRT: Immediate mental benefits. These bloods were taken with no AI. Increasing stoicism and lack of interest in hobbies. Privacy Policy. Keep in mind, Arimistane is the only over the counter Aromatase Inhibitor on that list, the other three are Rx AI's, and can only be obtained via a prescription from your doctor and should only be used under the direction of your doctor. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I've been prescribed this through an endocrinologist and not one of these TRT clinics that seem to be popular, so I only pay $30 a month for the medication, plus $10-20 here and there for bloodwork and doctor's visits. Cookie Notice The small gain of faster recovery, more muscle etc. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Check bloods on cruise pretty regularly Nac Well-known member Awards 3 Oct 5, 2021 #11 BBiceps said: In 1 or 2 shots?

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